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from acefury/W. John (156) 
on September 20, 2006 8:30:55 PM CDT
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Interesting image, I like the composition that creates a tension between the sea and land, the smooth sea vs. the crag. You might want to re-title it "The Beauty and The Beast". LOL As far as being "oversaturated", you are the only one that can tell - you were there and I wasn't.
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on September 22, 2006 7:32:50 PM CDT
Your comments were unhelpful and off the mark.
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on December 29, 2006 8:19:39 PM CST
You thinking I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong, I'm just more preceptive then you in this case.
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from savad/Mike (66,539)
on September 20, 2006 5:15:53 PM CDT
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from the forum. first off - it's not that interesting. while you have nice blue color, the rest is dominated by a giant ugly rock. the rock has very strong shadows and it doesn't help it's texture any. a different time of day would be better. the angle pointing straight down isn't that interesting either. unless your jumping, or there's someone down there. it would look nicer to see the horizon with the sky - as that's another blue.
there is too much contrast and it looks a little oversaturated as well. but on a whole, it's just not that interesting, it would never make the photo album. a picture should be self explanatory - why you took it, where you were, etc - without saying anything.
---Mike Savad
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From motumboe/Marco (3,383)
on September 20, 2006 5:57:16 PM CDT
Mike, thank you for your thoughts. I haven't understood the thing about jumping, can you explain it?
Anyway, I took this picture because I liked the colours; the contrast of blue and orange.
Thanks again. Marco
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From savad/Mike (66,539)
on September 20, 2006 9:54:24 PM CDT
the angle your standing at suggests your about to jump off the cliff.
---Mike Savad
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From aeolus/Allan (744) 
on September 21, 2006 4:10:36 AM CDT
MIke, I generally agree with your crit. But - and maybe this should be discussed in a forum and not here - I'm not certain that I agree with your assertion - a picture should be self explanatory - why you took it, where you were ...
Can you not take a picture just because it's "nice". If the viewer doesn't connect with it as "nice", or maybe reads something else into the image, then fine, whatever. But the need to only take a photo if it tells a story is not what necessarily drives my photography. (Hmmmm ... maybe that's the problem! :-) Cheers, BigAl
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From savad/Mike (66,539)
on September 21, 2006 5:41:07 AM CDT
you can take any picture you want, but to take it and show it others - yeah, it should be self explanatory.
---Mike Savad
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on September 22, 2006 7:39:31 PM CDT
..it should be self explanatory. And where prey tell to come across that load of BS?
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From savad/Mike (66,539)
on September 22, 2006 10:39:53 PM CDT
if it weren't true, he would have many more critiques than this. and he would have never had to ask in the forums.
---Mike Savad
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on December 29, 2006 8:20:50 PM CST
LOL and the BS gets deeper. You guys never give up.
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from jkjond/John (6,423)
on September 20, 2006 6:05:29 AM CDT
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I think your lack of response to this one is as you say, there is a lack of subject.
As you were trying to capture the colours of the day I think you need to experiment more with the crop and content to emphasize this aspect. Cropping all the closer rocks off the bottom to more of a square frame certainly helps in this respect.
As it stands it looks like you were trying to capture the drama - and as the see is neither rough nor flat, there isn't much drama to comment on - though I'd say my suggested crop improves this aspect too as there isn't the close rocks which give the viewer contact with the surface rather than a feeling of being detatched and unsafe.
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From motumboe/Marco (3,383)
on September 20, 2006 6:18:27 AM CDT
Thank you for your thoughts, John. In fact, the bottom part could be cropped away; it would have been interesting to modify the composition in order to make the rocks line starting from the top left corner. A simple crop of the top of this picture would cut away the top part of the picture, that is quite interesting to me.
Cheers, marco
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on September 20, 2006 8:34:03 PM CDT
The framing is right just the way it is, don't crop it. Study the image for awhile and you will see.
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From jkjond/John (6,423)
on September 21, 2006 3:03:43 AM CDT
I'm pleased you enjoy it. How long should I look at this image before I begin to share your experience? It is currently a snapshot of nice colours, nothing more.
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From savad/Mike (66,539)
on September 21, 2006 5:42:16 AM CDT
i stared at it, i don't see it, do explain further.
---Mike Savad
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on September 22, 2006 7:37:37 PM CDT
You should look into a class or two in art appreciation, focusing on design concepts.
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From savad/Mike (66,539)
on September 22, 2006 10:38:17 PM CDT
there ain't nothin in this shot john.
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on December 29, 2006 8:17:27 PM CST
You mean there is nothing you can see don't you Mike? That doesn't mean there is nothing others can and do see. Practice seeing and it will hopefully come to you someday, but then again maybe you are not a visual type person, no disgrace, I can't carry a tune. We must learn our limitations yours seem to be the visual.
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From savad/Mike (66,539)
on December 30, 2006 9:11:02 AM CST
i'm strictly visual. this shot has nothing, never will - unless maybe in an experienced hands of a photographer. the location has promise, but not the shot.
---Mike Savad
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From jkjond/John (6,423)
on September 21, 2006 3:06:36 AM CDT
Ok, take it as a lack of focus, there are a few ways of looking at this, and the current crop is indecisive, so the message is confused. I've nothing against an image being a subject where I can wander around enjoying the content, but when I'm flitting about looking for emotion which isn't there then the image has failed for me. But each to their own.
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From acefury/W. John (156)
on September 22, 2006 7:34:46 PM CDT
The current framing, which is not a crop, is not indecisive at all. It is right on.
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