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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 11:15:19 AM CST

I usually sit by the window in the morning or evenings and either have a smoke or a cup of coffee and read the morning paper or look through the photo work that is being done in the area. I live on the sixth floor of an apartment building. And there is a little veranda for those who pay higher rent three floors below: Where they each have a sitting area that is accessed through one of the apartment windows. The windows are about 10 feet tall. And each one is about 4 or so feet wide. And 2 of them span the entire wall of the back half of my apartment. They start between the knees and torso and go all the way up almost to the 13ft ceilings.

So the neighbors out my window are a small toss. I could flick a cigarette out the window and hit theirs.

The guy who just moved in across the way is strange. I dont know if he does not have any modesty. Or he does not realize that it is possible to see into his apartment with the windows open. I mean . . . it should be pretty evident considering I imagine he can see me. The first day he moved in he was walking around naked. He has a really big screen television. And he repeatedly sits in the dark watching TV . . . Thats no problem. I dont really care. But today he was watching some really raunchy gay male porn that made me sick to my stomach. That just does not mix well with morning coffee. The few seconds I saw while finishing my smoke was just DISGUSTING!! and something I just dont want to see. I thought it was Baywatch at first. I feel like leaving him a note . . . but he seems a bit strange. It is hard not to look considering it is a huge bright light along that wall. Your eyes are automatically drawn to the light and movement on the screen.

What is good etiquette in the matter. I mean . . . if you are going to watch something like that. Or walk around naked. Then close the friggin blinds and pull the shades or something!!! Am I wrong? I am not peering in his window. That sort of shit just stands out on a 72" screen in a dark room. I just want to sit by my window without having to be on guard. The last neighbors and everyone else never posed any problem.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 11:40:11 AM CST

So good ol' hetro porn would have been ok?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 11:53:41 AM CST

Clearly your missing my point. Dont really care what kind of porn it is. That just happened to be what was on.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 11:58:02 AM CST

Obviously you cared. You made a big deal about it using the word disgusting in all caps bold with two exclamation marks.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:04:10 PM CST

Nope . . whatever it is. I dont want to look out my window and see it. People who are gay are gay. That is their chosen orientation. It is their buisness. I dont want to look out my window and see any kind of hard core sex acts being conducted. Be it hetero or homo.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:05:49 PM CST

Then why make the big deal?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:11:07 PM CST

Just making conversation. As it is Sunday.

Watching porn in broad daylight with the windows open is not something the average person does. At least not with all of the windows open. It does not make you want to go to the guys door and give him a house warming basket or welcome him to the neighborhood . . . if you know what I mean. Or if I had kids . . . feel confident that I could leave them at home without their being exposed to adult material just by looking out the window.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:12:12 PM CST

Sure the fact that it was gay porn didn't enter into it at all. Sure.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:18:07 PM CST

Sure it did . . . But as a distant third to the fact that he walks around naked with the windows open. And that he also watches other people perform sex acts first in the morning . . . And he does it with the blinds open when his windows face about 20 other peoples units. The blinds were not even down and open . . . but completely pulled up. The guy is a weirdo.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:25:08 PM CST

Of course, that's why you mentioned it, that's why you used bold, all caps and exclamation marks, because it was a distant third. I believe you.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:29:15 PM CST

Lets not get off on a tangent. I was obviously more disgusted watching a homosexual sex act than I would be a heterosexual one. Whereas. I suppose a homosexual would be more disgusted by seing a heterosexual one. Same thing.

But the real issue here is does watching any kind of pornography with all your windows open when your apartment faces an entire wall of other windows and units. Or . . . walking around naked so that other people can see you seem normal?

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From pflanagan/Paul (6,590) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:57:30 PM CST

That's the interesting thing. Most homosexuals don't find heterosexuality disgusting. It's called tolerance.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:13:58 PM CST

I imagine you have done some research to back up your blanket statment . . . ?

Allowing someone to express feelings of discomfort and to be honest about how they feel when they see explicit sex acts is what I would deem "tolerance."

Tolerance is a word just thrown around because it sounds nice.

Dont get me wrong. I have nothing against homosexuality. As far as I see it . . . that is tolerance. I dont expect a homosexual to pretend to not have feelings they dont. If they dont enjoy watching heterosexual sex . . . it is their right to feel that way. As it is mine. I am not going to sweat it either way. I really dont like watching pornography in general . . . and I appreciate someones tolerance in my decision.

I tolerate both gay and straight peoples freedom to be who they are. It is your own buisness. Not mine. I dont like to look out my window and see two people engaged in sex. And I am not really going to pretend that I dont find it repulsive to see two men engaging in sex for the sake of being politically correct. Am not going to lie either.

I think someone is born gay. There is no reason to be shy about it. But . . . be decent and draw your blinds when you are going to walk around naked or watch pornography . . . Be tolerant of your neighbor who does not wish to view it.

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From pflanagan/Paul (6,590) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:56:32 PM CST

It was the fact that you said you found a homosexual act more disgusting than a heterosexual one.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 6:44:44 PM CST

Right. I did. If I did not, then I would be homosexual . . . am I wrong? Being heterosexual means you find the act with someone of the opposite sex MORE appealiong. I mean . . . that kind of seems like the very definition of being straight. I am not gay. So I naturally dont enjoy watching men having sex. Or really any raunchy pornographic material out my window. Is that not okay or something . . . ? Am I just totally off my rocker? Should I ponder the act and consider it beautiful or something? That would make me a liar. Not "tolerant." Those are two entirely different things.

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From pflanagan/Paul (6,590) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 2:02:59 AM CST

Appealing and disgusting are not antonyms. I can find something unappealing, or even just not to my taste, without finding it disgusting.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 9:11:24 PM CST

Why should I lie?

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From brucemacneil/Bruce (3,224) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 7:42:14 PM CST

I agree with Sheena:)

Seems like you are making something from nothing. Why not just go over and knock on the door?

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:20:25 PM CST

"That is their chosen orientation..."

Just like you chose to be heterosexual right! Seriously though, I don't see anything wrong with leaving the guy a nice polite and anonymous note pointing out that as a neighbor you would prefer not to share in his personal moments.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:26:15 PM CST

Right. Gay is not an issue. I know plenty of gay people. And I have some friends who are gay. But . . . they also seem to be like anyone else in terms of what is and is not appropriate.

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:40:17 PM CST

...and I know plenty of straight people.

I even have a friend who is straight and he would probably agree with both of us.

Your neighbor is exhibiting inappropriate behavior. Porn is porn, and he shouldn't be displaying in public view. Whether it's gay porn or straight porn is irrelevant. As you mentioned, there may be children living in your building and although some of them may grow up to be gay, even they shouldn't be exposed to porn.

My parents were straight too and so is my brother. Gee...I have quite a few straight people in my life.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:50:48 PM CST

RIGHT!! My sentiments exactly. What does it really have to do with being gay . . . ? You look out the window and someone is doing what was described with all the windows open for everyone to see. Makes you think there are a few wires crossed upstairs.

And it really is not a good way to meet people around your building. Though . . . I doubt he would be out looking to meet me.

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:03:12 PM CST

"I doubt he would be out looking to meet me."

Why don't you think he might be interested in meeting you?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:22:33 PM CST

Mainly because I am not interested in meeting him. And probably because he will be getting alot of sideways glances from me. And it has nothing to do with him being gay. Just the fact that he walks around naked with the windows open. And that he watches really raunchy XXX porn with the windows open. I dont really want to meet him. Just because of that . . . I dont think we would make friends. His level of acceptability is a large stretch from my own.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:09:53 PM CST

What does it really have to do with being gay . . . ?

Arben, you're being disingenuous. The only one who mentioned the guy being gay or made a big deal of him being gay is you. To pretend now that it wasn't an issue is hypocritical.

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From denniscamp/DennisCamp (18,883) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:32:01 PM CST

" So good ol' hetro porn would have been ok?"
If he was clothed.

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From revival/Brent (1,272) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 6:30:19 AM CST

He was just describing what it was, Sheena. If I said a big f'ing red car came barrelling down the street doing 80mph, would you think I had something against the color red?

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From severance/James (1,291) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 6:41:19 AM CST

I entirely agree with your sentiment. I'm really quite surprised at the battering Arben has had to take over this one.
This place gets more adversarial everyday.

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From marshall/Marshall (12,600) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 11:45:28 AM CST

I hate looking out my window and seeing people smoking.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 11:55:01 AM CST

Fair enough . . . But. I can stand on a street corner smoking whenever I want without getting arrested. Cant really stand naked on the corner or watch porn without getting taken home in a squad car.

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From kkphotos/K (2,303) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:09:48 PM CST

Ha! There oughtta be a law...

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From denniscamp/DennisCamp (18,883) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:34:09 PM CST

depends what is smoking .. ;-)

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From de3euk/Gert (5,516) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:06:25 PM CST

I just want to sit by my window without having to be on guard.
You might want to move to a more rural area.

To deal with your problem at hand, the only way he will find out how you feel is when you communicate it to him.

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From tgrunau/Tom (3,812) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:17:42 PM CST

A guy here locally got in trouble last summer for doing basically the same thing but he upped it a notch by "spanking the monkey" in front of his picture window. He only did it when the women who lived across the street were outside doing yard work and never when their husbands might be home. When the cops busted him he tried to claim he didn't know anyone could see inside his house. It didn't impress the judge either.

My advice would be to complain to the management of the apartment building and if that doesn't put an end to it call the authorities. If you can see it others certainly can too. But don't confront him yourself. If he is an exhibitionist his aim is to shock and you will be feeding his "problem".

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:23:27 PM CST

Hello? The guy was watching TV naked, hardly jacking off out the window. I've watched TV in the nude, I'm sure I've forgotten to close the blinds on occasion. Call the authorities?

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From dlberry/Dick (1,463) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:31:15 PM CST

What time of day are you watching TV in the nude??

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From marshall/Marshall (12,600) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:31:49 PM CST

You wacky Canadese folks are more liberal than us about stuff like that. Here, you're not allowed to watch tv in the nude; the parent's television council doesn't approve.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:36:21 PM CST

Honestly people are so uptight! Why not just wave out the window, shout hello and say look bud, mind closing the blinds, I'm just not up for porn today or some funny remark. No wait, it makes so much more sense to complain about it on a photography forum than to actually try to resolve the issue.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:38:56 PM CST

I was thinking of tossing a handful of uncooked beans at his window . . . Or perhaps getting a large piture of water and making barfing sounds. Then dumping it over the edge. So by the time he looked out the window. The water would have gone "SPLAT!!!" on the pavement below and sounded like I really puked. And I could sit pretending to be dry heaving with the vessel containing the water pulled inside. We use to do that off the balcony on Friday night in College. When you are several floors up. You can dump the water. Then make the puking sound before the water hits the ground.

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From john2/John (6,260) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:14:54 PM CST

Or if the balconies are so close chuck him a copy of your preferred porn DVD and ask him to play it, since it's better than his porn.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:20:49 PM CST

hah!

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:33:56 PM CST

It is not really a matter of what he is watching. I would prefer he close is curtains.

I dont watch porn . . . I have before. I dont think it is good for the mind. That is just me. And only me. Is that something that is impossible to imagine? Dont have any DVD's to chunk him other than films you get at Best Buy. Perhaps I am boring.

Just closing his curtains would suffeist more than enough.

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From john2/John (6,260) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:41:20 PM CST

Porn isn't supposed to be good for the mind, it's usually aimed a little lower. But still, it's said some men think with their dicks so maybe it is good for some peoples' minds...

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From denniscamp/DennisCamp (18,883) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 9:28:08 PM CST

LOL .. precisely ..

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:50:24 PM CST

Hahahahaha!!!

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:32:31 PM CST

I never said he was watching TV naked. Though if he is watching porn. I imagine he was probably naked. He was walking around naked when he first moved in. And at night with all of the lights on and the windows open.

This morning. He was watching XXX porn on a 72" big screen with all the windows open and the lights off. When the lights are off and a TV is on in a dark room . . . it kind of draws attention to it's self. And if you are doing any personal exploration. Or even watching Porn. Be it hetero or homo. It seems like pulling the shades first would be a widely accepted practice.

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From dlberry/Dick (1,463) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:34:40 PM CST

I think you really need to put your energy in another place and not pay this guy so much attention-maybe he is watching you and enjoying it!!!

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:36:07 PM CST

You are probably right. Next time I sit by the window. I will stare at the floor. And . . . I should probably give up the smoking anyway. And I dont want to do it where I cannot blow it out a window.

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:42:31 PM CST

Giving up the smoking seems an appropriate action to me. But then that's a whole other subject isn't it!

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From tgrunau/Tom (3,812) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:01:19 PM CST

My point exactly! Let the management deal with it if it's a problem.

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From splatcat/Dustin (730) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:38:19 PM CST

I agree. Gay or otherwise, it's "ojectionable" material. There's a reason they sell it at stores with blacked out windows. It amazes me that people are attacking YOU!

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:40:06 PM CST

"It amazes me that people are attacking YOU!"

Tell me about it. Am not really surprised either. It has moved from an issue of basic curteousy and decency into a political one.

I am pegged as a gay basher because seeing two men having sex outside of my window makes me uncomfortable. In reality: The fact that someone is living across from me with such a lack of discretion is what I find unnerving . . . but that has gone completely to the way side.

I have friends who are gay. There are lots of gay people in the Photography buis. And I am not a gay basher. I am not going to sweat it. Anyone in their right mind knows it is not considered a decent thing to walk around naked with your windows open in a densely populated area. Or watch explicit material where any unsuspecting person . . . including children can see it. People go to jail for it.

Most cant see outside their own little world where you make even one comment remotely associated to being uncomfortable with a differing sexual orientation and you are crucified. And no statement like that was even made. I dont like my weirdo neighbor who seems strage!! And it has nothing to do wtih the fact that he is gay. Sheesh!!!

The fact that I am completely tolerant of someone elses sexual orientation just aint enough. I am saying it here. SOMEONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. Including watching monkeys have sex on tv in their own home if they want. I have nothing against homosexuality and the right of the couple to live their life how they seem fit isnt enough.

I have got to like watching hardcore gay porn. So . . . who is really being "tolerant" here? Straight people cannot put hetero porn out for the world to see. And I dont want to see it either. I dont want to look out my window and see porn. Regardless of who is engaged in the sex.

Highly liberal and highly conservative people are both two peas in a pod. Both are intensely intolerant.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:52:44 PM CST

If it was just about objectionable material you should have said that. It was your post that went on about digusting gay porn. You're the one that made it the issue.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 7:04:13 PM CST

It is not politically incorrect to be straight. If I enjoyed gay porn. Or found the act appealing. Then I guess I would not be straight . . . Being straight is not being attracted to the same sex. And it is not a crime. If you are not attracted to the same sex. Then . . . you are naturally not attracted to the act.

I will say it. At the risk of crucifiction. The sight of men does not do anything for me. I dont enjoy seeing men naked any more than watching them have sex. Not really sorry for being straight. Dont expect a gay person to find hetero sex to be appealing. I think guys are gross. !!!!YUCK!!!!

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From ianj49/Ian (843) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:54:51 PM CST

I'm all for sex on TV, just can be a tad uncomfortable and I worry about the radiation from the CRT - perhaps flat screen is less risky?

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 7:13:13 PM CST

Hah! You win for best line of the entire thread!

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:04:47 PM CST

Hey...didn't you say you were done with this about five hours ago....Or am I hallucinating?

:)

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From aspelin/Oliver (6,371) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:54:26 PM CST

Complain to the management of the apartment? Call the authorities? Why not just talk to the man instead. If people would communicate more directly, there would be less problems overall. How the heck should he know there's people on the other side how aren't able not to look into his window and feeling bad about that?

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From dazz/Daryl (5,748) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:46:15 PM CST

72" TV?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 12:47:40 PM CST

Big rear projection/DLP.

CLOSE YOUR BLINDS!!!! :-)

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:05:58 PM CST

If I were you Arben. I would close my blinds until the situation is taken care of. Not that you should have to of course!

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From john2/John (6,260) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:14:03 PM CST

Trouble is if nobody raises it all that happens is this guy carries on while everyone around has to adjust their lives to cater for his weirdness.

Personally I don't care what someone does in private, as long as it is in private. Walking around naked in full view of the window with the lights on and the curtains open in a built-up area can only really be described as exhibitionism. Sounds like you need a quiet work with the block managing company.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:23:15 PM CST

If his neighbour was a woman, watching hot lesbian action on her big screen TV in the nude, this thread wouldn't exist and Arben's neighbours would be complaining about what he was doing out on his balcony.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:29:12 PM CST

Nah. Not really the case at all. That is where you are wrong. There is a double standard that you are making that is just not there. I might not be visually disgusted to the same degree by a woman who did the same thing because I am not gay. But I would think something was wrong with them up stairs just the same. So my disgust in regard to the behaviour would be equally as strong. And I would be as equally uncomfortable.

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From john2/John (6,260) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:33:17 PM CST

Very possibly. A woman in her living room in full view of another apartment, naked and watching lesbian porn while possibly pleasuring herself is equally unacceptable behaviour from a sociological viewpoint, it's just that a male neighbour able to see her may choose not to complain about it.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:34:38 PM CST

Man you people are all too serious. If it bothers him he should just do something about it. Sheesh.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:42:11 PM CST

See . . . it is a touchy subject. And the right move is not easily identifiable. That is why I posted. For some feedback.

True: The guy just may be kind of absent minded and not realize people can see him. He could be a nice guy . . . hell. I dont know.

I really dont have any interest in provoking him. And I really dont know where my rights are in terms of the issue. Because he is in his own home. And I dont have to look. But . . . I imagine if your home faced a busy street, and you were having your private moments where people could see you in public, you would probably get a few complaints called in.

I will probably just avoid the window or make it a point to put my back to the window when I sit down.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:46:16 PM CST

It's not a touchy subject at all. Depending on how you feel about it you have a number of easy options. I don't understand why you can't figure this out yourself. You seem intelligent.

1. Phone the police and report lewd behaviour.
2. Phone the apartment management and complain about it.
3. Complain directly to the neighbour.
4. Close your blinds and ignore it.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:53:14 PM CST

Right. Those would be the logical solutions at this point.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:54:27 PM CST

Those were always the logical options.

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From soflasteve/Steve (17,678) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:03:08 PM CST

I hate it when we agree :)

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From deleted89287/deleted (1,300) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:44:50 PM CST

Meanwhile...

This neighbor is on a message board talking about a guy that watches him watch porn.

Man, you need to get out.

"Your eyes are automatically drawn to the light and movement on the screen."

Just like a lot of us "automatically" click on the nude thumbnails right?

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:46:51 PM CST

Hey, don't touch his dog.

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From deleted89287/deleted (1,300) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:51:15 PM CST

Arben and his dog, watching gay porn.

After a few drinks.....who knows?

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:53:48 PM CST

What about the sleep over buddy he had?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:00:32 PM CST

. . . ? You mean the girl I have been seeing for the last year?

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:02:00 PM CST

Remember the girl who used to come over and sleep with you but not want to have sex and you were all confused about it?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:03:19 PM CST

Right . . . the girl I have been seeing for the last year. I am failing to see the connection between looking out the window and seeing gay porn on my neighbors television with the blinds up.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:04:42 PM CST

You figured out the sleeping versus sex part yet?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:08:59 PM CST

. . . .

That is the best I can come up with. Sorry . . . am a little sluggish. I was not able to finish my coffee this morning. Most of it was spit onto the wall next to the window after looking out in disgust.

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From deleted89287/deleted (1,300) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:07:31 PM CST

"Seeing" as in "across the window"?

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 1:58:03 PM CST

I know it may be a stretch. But I am just not walking over to the window in order to see any nude thumbnails. At least not for a long while . . .

I usually go over to sit. Check the weather . . . have a nice stretch. And then . . . WHOA!! There are two men having sex . . . Seems about like your average morning -eh? A cup of coffee and some hard core male porn.

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From deleted89287/deleted (1,300) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:00:56 PM CST

"And then . . . WHOA!! There are two men having sex . . ."

It sounds more like there are 3 now.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:02:29 PM CST

Guess you are the 3rd one . . . ? Dont know who else it would be.

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From deleted89287/deleted (1,300) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:23:35 PM CST

Well, in your other discussion about coffee grinders you describe your routine:

1. Load

2. Grind

3. Flip

4. Give it a spank

Sounds like you've got quite a system.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:48:52 PM CST

That is actually funny. Probably the first statement you have made that has actually made me laugh.

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From deleted194386/deleted (53,070) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:52:37 PM CST

Arben...You have to consider is this guy rational. Would he walk down the street naked? He knows what he's doing so now you better question his motives for that. Can other apartments see him or mainly just you?

Are you a photographer Arben? Why not setup cam up pointed right into his window with a bigass lens on a tri and leave it there? This will make him think. Click a few frames and post here on sig so we can see your plight and help you with a solution.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:03:45 PM CST

A cup of coffee and some hard core male porn.

What kind of coffee?

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From deleted89287/deleted (1,300) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:08:05 PM CST

There's a bad joke there but, I'm not touching it.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:19:54 PM CST

My work is done :-)

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From gdwo498/Gary (1,648) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 2:21:30 PM CST

Arben, sometimes life and neighbors suck. I look at it this way—it is fruitless to attempt to worry about what other people do—you just get your panties in a wad over something that you really can’t control. We all get out shot at really lousy neighbors. I know, I have. Who knows but what the next one won’t have a scope watching every move in your apartment—that would weird me out. I do not smoke, I do not watch porn—but I am willing to fight for your right to do either in the privacy of your home. Unless you fancy yourself a peeping tom, I gather the view out of your window is not extremely interesting even when there isn’t a 72” porn picture across the way so hang a sheer curtain or screen that will block the view but still give you the pleasure of the morning light. Just think, there may be times when he is watching you and you could use the extra privacy. Either that or consider this a golden opportunity to find something different that you can enjoy early in the morning.

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:10:29 PM CST

Nah man. Am not really interested in adjusting my morning habits. Have sat by the same window every morning and evening for a year. And it does not have anything to do with the brick wall and set of windows outside. Or what is going on in the apartment. You are right. In the end. It is my choice to look. I pretty much have established what it is that I will end up seeing. And you have it wrong. I am not staring in the guys windows. A big ass television in a dark room is a magnet to the eye. I guess I know what will be on it . . . so looking somewhere else is the only option.

You have to admit that he probably has a few screws loose in what I would consider to be a notoriously socially unacceptable way that leads to a few stories on the evening news. Guess it is nice to know who to look out for at the same time.

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From deleted141154/deleted (3,917) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:02:47 PM CST

ohhh... OK.. .
So you've busted me!
I fell straight out of my cheerleading tights for you when I saw your profile, sold the house, shot the dog, let the cat loose in my ex-girlfriends bathroom, and moved to Austin...
Just to be closer to you A-Baby...
And I thought I was being *subtle* by keeping the blinds open and playing my fav. tear jerker flik for you when I knew you'd be up =) . . did I put enough emphasis oh. . . UP ?
- - ahahahaha!

JK - I wouldn't shoot the dog for nothin!

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From matt/Matt (4,874) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:10:26 PM CST

Few questions for you;

1) Which Baywatch episode was it when gay sex was on?

2) If you know the measurements of his screen you must have been inside?

3) If it's broad daylight outside, then even in a dark room across the street, window reflections plus sunlight would make it hard to see the TV/Projector anyway... right?

4) You said "really raunchy gay male porn". You could have just said "gay porn" or "raunchy porn" so the gay seems to be an issue of sorts, at least from where I'm reading this. How come?

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From bigwilly/Will (1,711) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:39:37 PM CST

Why are you attacking him for disliking gay porn? Would you attack a Christian or Muslim or any other religous faith for showing disgust at hetro or homo porn? Would you attack me for not liking beastiality porn? Or what about masachism or sadism? Hey I would hate to look out of my window and see two men getting it on, in real life or on tv. Just like the thought of watching say someone getting a catheta up their urethra would make me feel uncomfortable. Or watching indepth someone getting a colonoscopy.

The way you and other's on here have attacked this guy is absolutely disgusting! Particularly the behaviour of one pointy hat. Give him a break, he saw something that he found personally objectionable and disgusting. Now if it had been anything else apart from a taboo politically correct subject, I doubt this thread would have had more than 10 replies. But because it mentions "gay" the PC police are out in force!!!

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:51:09 PM CST

Give me a break, he made the post, he brought up the gay issue, if anyone had called anything disgusting based on sexual orientation I would have called them on it.

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From matt/Matt (4,874) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:54:25 PM CST

I'm actually with you on this one :S

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From bigwilly/Will (1,711) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 1:39:10 AM CST

So you could honestly say that a peadophile isn't disgusting? Or how about someone rooting a cow, or what if someone was at home, reading you're posts and getting off on it? That wouldn't bother or disgust you? I think you'd be a liar to disagree.

What gay issue? There was no issue, he was merely describing it as "raunchy gay male porn", he then later described it as disgusting. What's wrong with that? He didn't say that it was disgusting purley because it was gay. I've seen some pretty fucked up things in hetero porn that I would call disgusting. But I assume, Sheena, that even if it were simulated rape, you'd be OK with that, because it is based on a sexual orientation?

But no, because it had "gay" in the same sentence, you immediately scream "HOMOPHOBE", but hey, who cares if perhaps it seemed like some poor bloke was having a cock rammed down his throat, or perhaps simulated rape, or perhaps some poor bastard being shat on. We don't know. And I don't want to know, because I too would find that sort of thing disgusting.

Not everythin is black and white Sheena, seems to me you should try and see the shades of grey.

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 1:49:34 AM CST

You're equating being gay with rape, pedophilia and bestiality? Now that is disgusting.

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From bigwilly/Will (1,711) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 3:34:44 AM CST

Yes I agree that it would be disgusting to equate those three with being gay, however, once again you are reading what's not there...

I was merely asking you're opinion on other sexual orientations. Not once did I imply that being gay was the equivalent of either of those other orientations. And I fail to see how any person who is reasonably in touch with reality could. I was throwing up hypothetical situations to guage whether you're actually the sexual rights activist that you seem to portray.

But once again you skirt around the question, you aren't by chance a politician are you?

So are you going to answer the question or just fire back with meaningless tripe?

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 11:10:33 AM CST

When you want to carry on a respectful conversation let me know.

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From bigwilly/Will (1,711) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 4:19:21 PM CST

Respectful? Ha! I'm not the one who brought up his past "sleeping versus sex" problem.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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From matt/Matt (4,874) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:53:49 PM CST

I personally hate "PC". I like to say what the fuck I want. I just asked a couple of questions - hardly an 'attack'.

What about a pointy hat? Admins are users too.

I don't understnad - people complain when threads and photos get no attention, and when they get loads of attention. Here, this has got lots (irrespective of why) and it's being discussed as what it is - a forum. Discussion and debate is good. Nothing moves forward by being a yes man, agreeing with the boss 24/7.

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From bigwilly/Will (1,711) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 1:35:44 AM CST

Neither of you answered the question I posed to you. Would you react the same way if it had been beastiality, or sadomasichism? Or what if he's a deeply religous man and finds porn, regardless of the orientation, disgusting. Would you still be attacking him? I doubt it, because unlike you're average Joe, homosexuals, religous types et all are held high aloft on the PC pedestal. Whereas other minorities that society couldn't give a rat's about are kicked to the shitter and left in the gutter to slowly blead to death or drag themseleves out to try and gain some sort of recognition or respect.

Yes admins are users too, but they have to remember that they are supposed to set an example. I'm a moderator in other forums and there if we show behaviour that is unacceptable, or innapropriate we get warned. To attack another board member becuase of his personal taste is as bad as attacking someone because of their sexuality. Maybe he can't help it if he finds gay porn disgusting, just like I can't help it that I find brussel sprouts disgusting.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, I suggest you take head of that little saying.

And I'm not defending him from the attention this post has had, its all the negative attention/attacks that he has recieved.

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From matt/Matt (4,874) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 3:13:25 AM CST

You're missing it - I asked 4 questions to the OP so as to better understand how he has come to his conclusion of gay porn being 'disgusting'. I did not 'attack' him as such.

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From bigwilly/Will (1,711) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 3:49:26 AM CST

Firstly my comment wasn't necessarily aimed at you, just that you're reply came before mine. You're not the only person to have replied to his intitial post.

Secondly, really what does Baywatch have to do with determining what type of porn it was. Pretty much any porn involves men in bloody budgy smugglers.

I can look at a height, length, or whatever and estimate the measurement. Its even easier when the measurement is in known gradiations. So know you're just starting to get pedantic.

Its possible that sunlight/reflections could make it hard to see, however from his discription the buildings are pretty close. It was morning, so the sun would be fairly low in the sky, even more so because its winter. So you can pretty much discount any direct sunlight. Reflections? Well I'm guessing due to the close proximity of the buildings, the low angle of sunlight, only the top few floors would be in sunlight. Now he is on the third floor, meaning that to see any reflection from a light source above, the observer (the author of this post) would need to be below the third floor. Now this is of course assuming that the sunlight isn't hitting the observed (wierd guy's) building. So I think it is certainly reasonable that he could still see through the window.

Why do we describe anything? So that we can convey what we observed to the people we are communicating with. It wasn't just gay porn, it wasn't just raunchy porn, it was both. So why not say it?

So will you care to answer my questions?

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From tgrunau/Tom (3,812) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:47:31 PM CST

The discussions today have been waaay too much fun. No wonder I'm not gettin' any work done!

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From henrim/Henri (234) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 3:56:14 PM CST

Buy a powerful laser pointer and light-up his room. Then when he looks out the window wave at him while you're screwing your wife.

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From deus/Ioan (2,027) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:08:14 PM CST

"If his neighbour was a woman, watching hot lesbian action on her big screen TV in the nude, this thread wouldn't exist and Arben's neighbours would be complaining about what he was doing out on his balcony." I'd probably sell tickets to my mates so they can come over, sit in my lounge and watch! :)

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From sheena/SheenaWilkie (11,273) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:13:53 PM CST

Travis just has sleep buddies, no sex please.

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From time20n/Timothy (6,590) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 4:42:27 PM CST

Well one up him, and get a 74 inch TV, and show people getting it on with animals. LOL! :) Tim

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From pdub/Peter (301) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 5:26:10 PM CST

Dude... you seriously need to get a blog. ;-)

Peter

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From deleted194386/deleted (53,070) This user is a Premium Member Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 6:06:44 PM CST

Peter...seriously, what is a blog? I asked my cousin Joe Blog and he didn't know.

Wog

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From spongebob/Jeff (12,029) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 6:18:09 PM CST

To each their own...just don't let him grind your coffee.....

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 7:52:19 PM CST

That is the truth. You may end up with an iron rich cup of coffee.

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From blackcat/Luis (26,305) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 7:48:13 PM CST

This gossip is so alienating and boring. Arben you look like a victim. Everybody should get a life! Take action and forget about it. Sheena just gave you all the clues for Gods sake.

Big yawn!

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From deleted13926/deleted (11,426) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 7:49:54 PM CST

In degrees of escalation:

1. Leave him a note

2. Take pictures of him naked and plaster them in the lobby of his building, making sure that you can see it is through the window so he gets the message

3. Go see the guy and tell him to lower the shade or close the blinds

4. Call the police and file a complaint showing them a completely different set of pictures (since posting the first set might be illegal after all)

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From sheracer/T. S. (34,427) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:23:45 PM CST

As long as my kiddos arent around, I will sit butt-ass naked in my house, because I dont like clothing, and I will watch porn at any time of the day or night that the mood strikes me, without window covering, as what we have for curtains is short and sheer. (I do, currently, have the luxury of living in the country, though, with no neighbors) As for suggestion that porn only be watched at night? Are you serious??? I suppose next that someone will say that sex should only happen at night, in the bedroom, on the bed, with the lights off, in the missionary position?

My suggestion: Dont look, lol.

(I do have a problem with children being exposed to porn, though. If that really is a possibility, then a note should be left for the gentleman to be conscious of the children. Barring success there, call the police. Letting kids watch porn is messed up).

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From deleted141154/deleted (3,917) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:48:35 PM CST

hahahahahahh!! I read that to say
"then a note should be left for the genitelia to be conscious of the children."

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From sheracer/T. S. (34,427) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 9:40:35 PM CST

LOL. Ya perv! :)

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From deleted206076/deleted (250) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 8:53:43 PM CST

Never said anything mentioning that porn must be watched at night. Everyone has different schedules. My point here is just 3 words . . . close the blinds. This guy is not out in the country somewhere. He is in the middle of a big city in am apartment building with more than a hundred other people.

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From sheracer/T. S. (34,427) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 9:42:30 PM CST

You said: "Watching porn in broad daylight..." When I lived in town I walked around naked, too. Its my biz in my house and I would think it would be rude to have someone looking in my windows. I never intentionally did so thinking someone was watching but I will tell you, until I read this thread, I never considered the possibility that someone could have been.

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From jfdavis58/John (6,565) Send mail to this user on February 12, 2006 9:07:46 PM CST

I tried to follow along, really I did. But I didn't see the answer to my questions. You live six floors up from street level-your 'exhibitionist neighbor' is 3 floors above street level? And you are looking down and into his scene? Can a person at street level look up into his crib? If he was a she, stacked in all the right ways and lesbian or straight, naked and watching her favorite TV, would you be so disgusted?

Arben, I'm a bit old school, but my mother taught me not to look into peoples windows/homes unless invited. Also to show a certain discretion should I accidentilly get an eye-full. I think that is the appropriate etiquette!

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From john2/John (6,260) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 2:29:26 AM CST

The issue is whether someone is walking around genuinely unaware that someone might see them (in which case either discretion or a friendly anonymous note helps save face) or is an exhibitionist walking around knowing full well they can be seen.

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From jfdavis58/John (6,565) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 8:36:06 AM CST

I don't think so. Naked guy is in his own home, not necessarily 'open' to public scrutiny--three floors up from ground traffic (unless some city dwellers can fly). And the OP is looking down over his own balcony railing from three stories higher into a darkened (albeit backlit) room and in some sense speculating as to the activities of a possibly naked man and some TV/video imagery in and with a cyber reality crowd that has in many ways, "swung both ways" on character issues.

Titillating, prurient, voyeurism.

I'm trying hard to see this as a casual, chance encounter that thru some twist of construction and fate will seriously impact the OP, and diminish his quality of life in a significant manner.

But OPs description of the physical surroundings are seemingly inconsistant with what I would call a casual occurrence. If the buildings are closely adjacent-so that he can flick a cigarette butt from balcony to balcony, then the sight angle from 6th floor to 3rd floor must be quite acute--I have a mental picture of the OP 'craned-out' over his own balcony in a most cartoonish fashion.

The alternative is that he has prodigious 'butt-flicking' skills--i.e. the buildings have some separation. In which case I am wondering when a long camera lens or binocular/telescope will enter the discussion.

I guess what I'm tip-toeing about is actually quite simple. This OP has provided quite a bit of forum 'entertainment' value. This would appear to be just another similar occurance.

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From revival/Brent (1,272) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 6:47:59 AM CST

Hmmm. Because some here think they can say WTF they want, but call others that say WTF they want, I figured I'll chime in.

I think gay porn is disgusting (even though I don't think I've ever seen any, thankfully).

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From deus/Ioan (2,027) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 7:37:35 AM CST

What about animals then?

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From deus/Ioan (2,027) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 7:38:19 AM CST

I don't sit in my lounge naked anymore since I got leather seats. :( They stick to ya!

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From deleted141154/deleted (3,917) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 8:08:14 AM CST

if you'd observe carefully Sir, your seat has allways been leather..

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From deleted141154/deleted (3,917) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 7:48:46 AM CST

Brent, you're a good man.
I agree with you. I would add, that I believe it's just as important to allow every kind of sexual behaviour that does not dirrectly lead to "acting out" with unwilling people.
this is not aimed at you Brent
I don't think there is anything wrong with being disgusted, AND there is nothing wrong with being permissive.
The world is small, everyone HAS to allow others to be different (there is that whole thing of not violating each other's basic human rights).
Just look at what happens when any one group thinks they are "morally superior".
Note that I did not name the groups...? B/C there is no difference between them, everyone thinks they have the moral upper hand.
No one goes around saying "My beliefs are totaly unfounded and pure goat's sheit, and that's why I'll go out of my way to impose them on you too!"
The point is - having a moral compass, and respecting your neighbor's moral compass, must not be mistaken as mutually exclusive.
1 Corinthians, Chp13, vs 4-8.

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From revival/Brent (1,272) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 8:29:11 AM CST

Oh, we agree. I don't want people giving others crap for what they believe is disgusting, which is what this became.

I routinely tell people who confess to me their "area of weakness" (sin), not to worry about it, and feel free to continue with it along with getting more into their Bible and prayer. They quit so fast they cannot believe it. I had a trunk full of alcohal the other day because one such lady, who had nearly drunk herself to death in front of her husband and daughter, didn't know what to do with it; she completely lost her desire for the stuff.

Colossians 2:20~23

By the way: Look at verse six in the scripture you referenced. It says, "... rejoices in the truth". If you have the truth, you would have moral superiority (in knowledge, certainly not in practice). Either way, there are no grounds for pushing that onto others, though there is nothing wrong with trying to persuade others to adopt that truth.

Edit: I guess this comes out as if I took what you said as "aimed" at me, though you said it wasn't. Sorry if it reads funny in that regard.

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From time20n/Timothy (6,590) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 9:52:16 AM CST

If you are in clear view of the gay prevert, here is how to take care of the problem. Now if you have to go out of your way to see it, then just stop going out of your way of course.

It's pretty simple really, people seem to think they can show them selfs here in the USA. When they are in their house, but if it's in clear view of others they can not show them selfs or movies. You need to send Mr prevert a registered letter, save a copy for your records as well. If that don't work, then take photos or a movie from where you sit. And see it in clear view, call the police and give them the stuff to prove he is a prevert. If the cops let people show them selfs, in clear view of others.

There would be lots of rape and killings because of it, people get very funny about their kids and women. Even T.S. nude may seem ok, but a mother seeing that prevert would call the police. She don't want her getting after her little boy you know, or her hubby and if she can prove miss prevert was in others clear view in town. T.S. will have the police coming there, and stopping her from what other see as being a prevert in clear view.

It is clearly different, if you live out in the hills with no one around for miles. Or if some one has to go out of their way to see you, if they go out of their way to see you. Then they are peeping toms and are the prevert, this guy is clearly a prevert from what Arben said. And Arben does not have to put up with such things, you just have to prove he is doing it in clear view of others is all. T.S. needs to think about this, and if you show your self nude to the wrong guy. The guy may think you want him, or a women may think you want her hubby or small boy.

Here is some thing to think about, me and my girl freind was having sex some years ago. In our bed in our bed room in private, the people down below heard us and called the police. The police come and warned us, that we could not let others hear us from our own apartment even. Even though the walls was very thin, I thought about it and the law is right. Towns/citys make all kinds of laws, that people never even heard of all the time. But not knowing the law, will not keep you from going to jail. :) Tim

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From deleted141154/deleted (3,917) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 12:51:47 PM CST

:-)
I think it was Tim who took it to heart, really..
I think I'll print out his instructions for "how to deal with a gay pervert whithin sight", and post it on my front door.. facing out.
I'm sure it will ward off any trouble of that sort :)

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From time20n/Timothy (6,590) Send mail to this user on February 13, 2006 1:35:20 PM CST

LOL! That should work well, just don't forget to place a cross next to it though. :) Tim

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